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About Hope, Mind, and Experiences

Guruji: "The feeling of hopelessness has two very different meanings. One is, a person had some setbacks and he lost hope. This is called getting hopeless on the way of pursuing something. The other one is, the person didn't carry any hope in his endeavor right from the beginning. This is beginning hopelessly, but there was faith that propelled him to move forward. The latter can take a person to great heights, because whatever will happen with him will be unexpected and thus will bring more joy in his life!

"An old Hindi poem describes this feeling of hopelessness most beautifully! It goes like this:

चिंता क्या है धरती टूटी उड़ने को आकाश बहुत है
जाने क्यूँ तुमसे मिलने की आशा कम विश्वास बहुत है
(Why worry if the earth breaks, there is unending sky for my flight
Don't know why but to meet you I have very little hope but a lot of faith)"

Q: "So that means faith is more important than hope."

Guruji: "Undoubtedly! Hope is only our imagination. Though I agree that hope helps a person ride through the gravest of the situations, but ultimately it also causes a lot of pain. A person should have faith in himself, and should not let hope control his life. We should all have a general plan of our lives in our mind."

Q: "Is that what the sloka in Gita ‘Karmanye vadhikaraste ma faleshu kadachana’ refers to?"

Guruji: "I think it is described somewhere in the second or third chapter in Gita, about hopelessness. Read it in detail, it's simply amazing."

Q: "Yes it's written here, chapter 3, sloka 30:
अध्यात्म चित्त से समस्त कर्म मुझमे अर्पित कर निराश और निर्मम होकर संताप रहित हुआ युद्ध कर ।

(With a spiritual resolve of mind, offering all karmas unto me, with hopelessness and detachment (nirmam), without being infuriated, go fight the war).”


Guruji: "Nirmam means a state of mind when the feeling of I, me, myself, or mine is not there. It doesn't mean being cruel. Try to break down the word and then read its meaning. Mam means 'mine', and so nirmam means something that’s 'not mine'. This word has no correlation with cruelty, but in general Hindi it is used for cruelty and barbarism. But the truth is, to be cruel is one thing, and to be nirmam is another. I feel that by just dissecting the words in a language carefully, we can understand a lot of things on our own."

Q: "Guruji, I wonder what should we do about our mann (mind or heart). It just keeps controlling our lives forever."

G: "Mind is itself a form of the divine (bhagvatswaroop). Its task is to control our lives. And the reason behind it is that its destination, the plan of its destiny, is already fixed. That’s why the mind should be observed along with our habits. There are two kinds of minds - the outer mind and the inner mind. One should always listen to the voice inside. This will always guide you according to your true capabilities and the plan of your destiny, and will bloom the flowers of dreams and desires in you to propel you towards your destiny.

"Don’t ever believe anybody who claims that he has controlled his mind and let go of his desires. And I can say so because it's mentioned in Gita itself that mind is Time only! How can anybody control or kill Time? If we proceed according to the plan Time has for us, it will guide us to our destiny and mount us to the peak of success. It's not possible to kill your mind. If you kill your mind, your existence will cease. And then again, as our nature is built in such a way that the existence of even the tiniest molecule remains forever. To cease existence of mind is not possible at all. No annihilation!"

Q: "In that case, if a person’s heart is stuck in something, say mountaineering, can they never become a yogi?"

Guruji: "Mountaineering is not something a person will do all his life. It’s just a temporary frame of mind, an ambition for when you are young and healthy, like Edmund Hillary climbed Mount Everest once and then he was done with it. He didn’t climb it everyday. Ultimately it was a training and experience for his mind. He wished to climb mountains and so he conquered the highest mountain in the world. But what next? Now he is sitting idle. But, he's also accompanied by a huge amount of satisfaction. And his achievement needed him to be extraordinarily skilled, with a fine tuning between body and mind, a strong body and quick reflexes. It is because of these attributes he was able to become a mountaineer. That he was a mountaineer is just a small reflection of his personality. But try to imagine the depth his entire personality must have achieved after going through these experiences. What he must have felt when he set foot on the peak of Mount Everest is something that only belongs to him. We hear his tales but we can't feel what he felt at that moment. For most of the people, it was just an act of climbing up and down. But I totally believe that Edmund Hillary before he climbed up and Edmund Hillary when he climbed down were two completely different personalities.

"The root cause of all problems is looking at life in various different pieces. Why, are mountains not a part of our existence? So why not climb them?"

Q: "Guruji, how can a person distinguish between the voice inside and superficial desires?"

Guruji: "Think of it this way: A kid loves to play with his toys. He can play with his toys for hours but that is his superficial desire. When his inner desire takes over, he forgets about the toys and remembers his mother. And with increasing maturity, i.e., with the development of his mind, his reflections, likes, dislikes, and reactions will go on evolving or changing. A kid keeps running to his mother for milk, and after growing up, just the feeling of sitting near her keeps him warm and happy. The inner desire means the dormant feelings that have grown so much that they start showing up on the surface very clearly.

"Always think of and about life in totality. Whether you do scuba diving or mountaineering or anything else, ultimately it’ll just add something to your mind and persona."

Q: "You mean any activity?"

Guruji: "These activities are also experiences. And once you’ll do them, the excitement will die and you won't feel like having the same experience again because you’ll have its flavor inside you."

Q: "But sometimes Guruji, when we don't feel like doing anything, we just stay seated for hours. Is that also an experience?"

Guruji: "Those are contemplative times. There is something going inside your heart. The mind in such situations withdraws itself from the normal day to day life and reflects on something - whether consciously or subconsciously. That’s why the outside activities appear still or slowed down. You should feel these times as well, remaining seated and letting the mind have its silent time. Once all the inner batteries are charged, you’ll be out of this phase and feel more rejuvenated than ever. So once in a while it's okay to experience this kind of a state."

Q: "I keep evaluating myself and sometimes i have a strong desire to perform, and sometimes I feel laid back."

Guruji: "Let this be an important lesson. Over-evaluating also leads to a lot of tension and complications. You can't always remain in one particular mood. If you are experiencing some mood, enjoy it, and after a few days when you come out of it, look back and reflect on it. It's very difficult to understand a mood in its beginning phase. Only after it ends can you fully understand it.

"Sometimes it's not about any mood but it feels good to sit idle, because the mind also gets tired and needs some rest. Your work doesn’t involve any physical stress, it's all mental as you have to concentrate for long hours at a stretch."

Q: "The evening exercise routine that you've told me is wonderful! It takes away all the mental stress and also relieves my eye strain."

Guruji: "Oh! About that, even our avatars (divine incarnations) have said 'if you are mentally tired, exercise'. And if you are physically tired, then indulge in some mental exercises. Both are very much connected. If you physically exert your body through exercising, your mind will automatically become happy and active. There are many references available on the various harmones that get released with exercising, that reduce stress, rejuvenate your mind and body, and also help you sleep better. Exercising also adds to an overall feeling of well being due to which our reflections gets better and clarity of mind sharpens. Ultimately it has a major effect on the performance of a person. And what else is there in life except performance? Life itself is a performance. After death even Yamraaj (lord of death) judges you by your performance in life.

"A man should always be practical in life. By being practical I mean he should always be down to earth. Have you ever laid down in mud? No? Is there some facility of mud-bath in America?"

Q: "Yes, there are a lot of mud-bath spas around here."

Guruji: " Then you should try it. You’ll really enjoy it. Mud is a direct connection with earth. There you’ll have to pay for it, otherwise here you can just lie down on the ground anywhere during rains. It's a natural mud-bath. But you’ll definitely feel something immediately. After all, mud is mud."

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Nature guiding our paths

Q: "Guruji, some people don't shave during Navaratri, some don't shave on Thursdays. Are there any such rules?"

Guruji: "The first rule only applies to people who fast all nine days and/or are indulged in special rituals during that time of the year. As far as weekdays go, some people don't shave on Mondays or Tuesdays, some on Thursdays. There are no set rules about it. In fact, I've seen some south Indian Brahmins who especially get a clean shave, wash their hair, and get all tidy and cleaned up on Thursdays. Different regions have different traditions."

Q: "I've realized that around 11pm in the night, I feel a sudden peace inside myself and in the surroundings."

Guruji: "It shows that your body and mind have started getting ready for practice at that time. Your body is beginning to get tuned for it, so now it has become your physical need. This is why regular practice is so important. A set time develops a craving in your body for the kriya practice, and your heart and mind feel an immediate sense of peace. You will be in the mood to practice."

Q: "I thought that peace descends due to the calm of the night."

Guruji: "No, that's not true; the real reason is regular practice. If the night time was the real reason, the entire world would be meditating at that time. Whatever time you choose for practice, stick to it and slowly your biological clock will begin to get activated at that time automatically. It’ll be like an alarm clock.

"After prolonged practice, that mood will stay throughout the day - each and every second. The practices we are doing right now form a continuous cycle of effects. For example, the lunch we eat in the afternoon has its effect till dinner, which in turn has its effect till breakfast. Similarly, the morning practice supports the evening practice and vice versa. And once that cycle forms, the person starts to feel an entirely different level of awareness and consciousness."

Q: "Yes, I do have a high feeling throughout the day. Is that what you are talking about?"

Guruji: "Not just that, it must also be helping you perform better. That is essentially the development of consciousness. For example, any problem you face now, you’ll be able to think of it from different angles and the possible solutions. You'll be able to see things and situations in their totality. I feel only people who reach this level of performance and consciousness are capable of doing extraordinary planning in life. Such people reach closer to the forth dimension we call Kaal or Time, and so naturally whatever they do will have a very long term effect on them and their coming generations.

"Why do you think self knowledge is important? It is important, so at least we can understand the purpose of our birth, and the purpose of spending time on earth. Why are we here, where have we come from, and what is our total potential aimed for? To answer these questions Nature will itself guide you towards your destiny. What we call as luck and chance is actually nothing but Nature prompting you on. Nothing happens by chance. It is actually Nature that guides all things around."

Q: "So what is our role in this play of Nature? Is it just to keep moving ahead wherever it is guiding us?"

Guruji: 'Our role is to keep getting more and more tuned with Nature. We talk about yoga, which literally means union, connection. Through yoga we are aiming for this connectivity with God, with the consciousness of Earth. We are all living on earth and along on our paths, we should realize it someday that whatever we are doing is somewhere guided by Mother Earth herself. In that case, if we are able to form a connectivity with Earth, her will will start getting executed through us, and this may even lead to the ultimate evolution - final transformation in the womb of Mother Earth! (read this discussion). I sometimes feel that this ultimate evolution is the driving force behind everything."

Q: "You had mentioned that it takes ages to bring a man who is able to reach such levels."

Guruji: "Yes, that's absolutely true. And if we flip through the pages of history, such men have mostly been either yogis or avatars (incarnation of gods). Avatars are fully evolved souls who came back to earth to take birth.

"We can easily explain this through the process of union of sperm and ova. Initially, there are millions of sperms fighting for a union with ovum. But ultimately only one sperm which shows some signs of evolution gets that chance, with the support of Nature. It's Nature only which not helps the sperm with the union, but also transforms it then after. Similarly, through yoga we are aiming for a union with the super-ovum of Mother Earth, and once that union takes place, the reins completely fall into the hands of Nature. After that, whatever transformation takes place will be mind-boggling and beyond all imagination!

Terms like self-realization and god-realization have been repeated way too often in the world. I am very tired of hearing their different interpretations as they do not convey the actual meaning of evolution properly. And think of the confusion these terms have caused in the world. Their vague explanations have led to the formation of thousands of cults and sects. Even though according to Earth time these cults don't last even for the blink of an eye, but being sperms we have to bear all the confusion around (laughs).

"My suggestion is always to Think BIG and then Think BIGGER. Why be a miser in building castles in the air? They are just a flight of imagination, so make them as big as you can. The bigger you’ll think, the more you’ll progress. This is just an exercise for the mind. Make plans taking the entire life into consideration; think of life in its totality."

Conversation recorded on April 3, 2003

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Religion, Politics, and War

Q: "Guruji, yogis are able to talk naturally with people, but can' t say the same for Buddhist monks. Why is that?"

Guruji: "That is because yogis live with nature, so they easily connect with people around them. Buddhist monks and Christians priests on the other hand are fed with so much superiority complex that they are not left even worth speaking to. Wherever you see people having intelligent discussions, you'll find these priests sitting at the back, smirking, saying 'You should just take refuge in the Jesus the Christ'. This is complete nonsense. Christ is nothing for yogis. We tread the path of knowledge; keep learning as you move forward is our motto.

"The person who started Christianity, St Paul, must have been a great psychologist. He understood the biggest weakness of mankind, saying things like: 'You are born in sin. You consider Jesus as your lord and savior and he suffered for you, is suffering for you and will suffer for you. You don’t have to do anything other then calling him your savior and you will be saved'. On the other hand, here we are told that we are responsible for our own actions. That keeps us on the edge all the time (laughs). If we didn't want to take the responsibility of what we've done, and we are given an easy way out, whether it's real or not, we'll naturally get drawn to it. Paul must have started the religion in a very organized fashion, that's why it continues till date. "

Q: "[During second US-Iraq war] India seems to have a pro-Iraq stance these days."

Guruji: "Yeah, Indian companies have a lot of money at stake there.. have lost quite a bit already. The war is naturally causing a lot of disturbance in the trade scene.

"Now it's mainly the consequences of this war that remain to be seen. For example, in 1930-35 when the second world war had started it was unimaginable that the British rule around the world would ever end. But within a span of 10 years, the empire was gone! Changes are always sudden after such big events. It will be interesting to observe the long term effects of this on USA."

Q: "That means terrorism is not as big a factor as the after-effects of this war?"

Guruji: "Naturally, it bears the curses of so many innocent people who'd die in this war. Take a step back to observe this. American society was not so decadent before it dropped atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After this event came hippie movement, gay and lesbian marriages, increase in crime rate, drug abuse, loss of family values, etc. America had comparatively better society before. There used to be some problems, especially with fights within Christianity, Ku Klux Klan, etc. Abraham Lincoln had abolished slavery yet there was discrimination against Blacks. But there was still some spiritual awareness. People were not so bad. It was called the land of opportunities. Now take a look at America after the second world war. It became completely materialistic, crime rate increased, people started having pyschological problems. Theentire concept of family started getting lost. Instead of getting married, people started living together so they wouldn’t have to give alimony when they separate. The sense of belonging is gradually beginning to decrease in America. Punks, motorcycle gangs started showing up on the cover. the 60’s was all about sex revolution.

"The aftermath of the war was very strange on America. The aftermath destroyed the entire British empire as well. Before the war, Britain was at the top and now its America. Before the war, sun never set in the British empire. Now it sets every day. Recently saw a TV interview that Indians have so filled up the entire Britain that Britishers are feeling like leaving their land for good (laughs). "

Q: "This will continue to develop as there are so many Indians in UK and USA nowadays"

Guruji: Thanks to democracy we will rule the world! (laughs). With the fast increase in our numbers, we are in a stronger position to rule. The white population is at a stand-still or even dwindling in some places."

Q: "Is this happening for the first time or did Indian population go outside even in old times?"

Guruji: "Indians used to go out all the time; they used to roam around the entire world. I feel that if Indians had not been suppressed so much, we would have left a stronger mark on the world scene. You can reference in oldest of old texts, Indians used to rule the sea trade. Only in the last 2000-2500 year things have gone bad. It is also present in the records that we never invaded anybody. Recently I heard a statement from a Chinese general who was visiting India:
'We are sharing a boundary with India for thousands of years but we have never seen a single soldier ever cross the border'."

Conversation recorded in April 2003

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Story of a Brahma Rakshasa

Guruji: "[...] monkeys have been wreaking havoc in the campus last few days. About 10-15 days back, a man visited me who had attained the ability to invoke a powerful astral being. Many businessmen and politicians seek his favor, but his astral 'friend' told him to be careful when he was visiting me.

"As soon as that person walked in here, his astral friend overpowered him, and started talking to me directly. The astral being was a brahmarakshasa1, whom Lord Hanuman had made his messenger. He was also known as chote maharaj (young sir). He told me 'you can call me anytime and I'll do your bidding'. Last night I called him, and told him that monkeys are creating a lot of trouble in the campus, keep them away. Haven't seen a single monkey since this morning (laughs). I just said it out loud: 'monkey are making trouble; keep them away', and that's it! Will do some more trials on him. This is the second time. First time I had told him to summon the SDM (Sub Divisional Magistrate), and the SDM was here next morning!"

Q: "Guruji, what is the story of this brahmarakshasa?"

Guruji: "He was a brahmin priest in a temple of Lord Hanuman. The thakur (feudal lord) of that village had his eyes on the land of the temple; for that he got the priest murdered. Due to the untimely death, the priest became a brahmarakshasa after death, and in his rage killed twenty seven members of the thakur's family. After that, he started regretting what he did, feeling that as a religious person he should have had forgiven them instead. Because of this feeling of remorse and because he was a sincere devotee, Hanumanji made him His messenger, and ordered him 'the more public service you do, the more peace you'll get and your power will increase and you'll gain my closeness'. That's why he's doing public service now. He was definitely a genuine spirit; at least he chased our monkeys away! The guy who was 'carrying' this spirit was an ordinary school-teacher though.

"The astral being with Bhagatji2 was also a brahmarakshasa. However, he did something wrong and Hanumanji took his power and threw him out of His group. Now he's only a simple preta (ghost).

"We're doing a study of spirits these days - why do they do what they do, what's their motivation, and what's the ultimate result? This subject is very fascinating. If I weren't a yogi, they would not be talking to me. They don't give heed to ordinary people. A layman would get scared. Yogis stay calm; they don't fear anything. The lineage of gurus offers protection, and the practice of yoga increases the power of your own self. No spirit can do you any harm; you can take on any astral being, doesn't matter who they are!

"Is there silence on your side again?"

[I've noticed that every time I talk to Guruji on the phone and whenever the conversation turns to serious subject, there would be an absolute, eerie silence in the atmosphere outside. There would be no sound of traffic, or any rustle in the wind. Even birds would be strangely quiet! I told this to Guruji and he mentioned that many of his disciples have observed this.]

Guruji: "Local administration has done a good job this year. Guru Purnima is near and yet there's an absolute pin-drop silence here. There are no microphones or loud-speakers blaring, or any horns being sounded. Local people are getting more and more disciplined with time. It's surprising that I haven't uttered a single curse word to a local person in more than a month (laughs)."

Conversation recorded on: June 26th, 2004

Notes:
  1. brahmarakshasa: Very powerful astral-beings. Only the most pious, learned, and purest brahmins who've suffered an untimely death turn into brahmarakshasa after death.
  2. Bhagatji 's story is for some other time.

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